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Childhood friends, an anthropologist and a writer take their appreciation of Hall and Oates to the next level, embarking on a very serious endeavor to understand the world of Hall and Oates while understanding the world through Hall and Oates.

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Episode Twenty-one: Don't Hold Back Your Love
<p>We both tried to find the best PRIDE anthem by Hall and Oates and this is where we landed. A classic 90's video, good hair, generic lyrics that are inclusive...this song ticks many boxes.</p> <p>Is it possible we didn't really know this song (and many others) in the 90's when we were listening to The Cure and De La Soul? Yes, yes it is. But it's fun to discover and enjoy them all now as more than just Hall and Oates songs in the supermarket aisles. </p> <p>Happy Pride, everyone! </p>
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Episode Twenty: Wait for Me
<p>This week was a bit of a journey. From the song Wait for Me to Monchichis and ear lobe fortune-telling, we get into several topics that somehow relate back to our heroes, Hall and Oates. Kind of. </p>
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Episode Nineteen: I'm Just a Kid (Don't Make Me Feel Like a Man)
This week we wonder how old the woman in this song is, and why is John Oates chasing her around corners? We have so many questions about the inspiration behind this song, and genuinely don't know if these lyrics would fly in 2022. Maybe? Let us know what you think!  <p>Also, MK talks more about how hot Hopper is on Stranger Things because OF COURSE she does. </p>
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Episode Eighteen: Private Eyes
This week's episode is fantastic and NOT family-friendly! We dive into "Private Eyes" with the inimitable MarQ'uis Reid, Naomi's colleague from the San Francisco Department of Public Health. MarQ'uis takes us on a wild ride from his Philly days listening to Hall and Oates on the radio pre-MTV then deep into his past work as a "private eye" public health syphilis tracker. Listen and learn! 
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Episode Seventeen: Fun Facts for Naomi
This week's episode is brought to you by MK's Covid brain! After hours in bed reading random fun facts about Hall and Oates, MK knew she couldn't keep these gems to herself. Enjoy! This episode is unofficially brought to you by Paxlovid, Tylenol, Nyquil, and Ricola. 
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Episode Sixteen: Todd and Daryl LIVE
This week was the Daryl Hall and Todd Rundgren live show in SF and we have been excited FOREVER...then MK got covid and our lovely friend, Sarah, stepped in to keep the fun going. Hearing about a concert is almost as good as being there, right? 
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Episode Fifteen: Sara Smile
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This week we are joined by the official research executive to the podcast, Sarah Wilson. As a well-respected union organizer in San Francisco, Sarah brings a fantastic perspective to topics ranging from body autonomy and what’s happening in the supreme court to vodka-based cocktails and songwriter extraordinaire Sara Allen. Do Aretha Franklin and Maya Angelou make their way into the conversation? Of course they do! </span></p>
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Episode Fourteen: Adult Education
<p class="p1">This week we chat with teacher, writer, and Hall and Oates lover, Liz Ganem, about the song Adult Education. We discuss sex education in the schools, the fascinating nature of the video and its director Tim Pope, and how much we love Nile Rodgers and his contribution to the original guitar sounds. This episode is unofficially brought to you by Luxardo Cherries and our love of Amy Sedaris.</p>
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Episode Thirteen: You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' (For the Grammys)
We are blown away that Daryl Hall and John Oates have never won a Grammy! They have been nominated five times for the most random things, and the fact that they don't have one is insanity. Let it be known we will be launching a protest/flash mob outside the Grammy museum, so we will meet you there. Bring your signs and wear a mustache!
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Episode Twelve: One On One, Part 2
<p>This week’s conversation was so amazing we went on and on! Lucky you, now you have TWO episodes with the amazing Kevin Avery.</p> <p>We discuss Hall and Oates singing with their idols, Eddie Kendrick and David Ruffin, and you can find out how our conversation with Kevin Avery manages to connect NKOTB, Tammy Faye Baker, and the Transformers back to Hall and Oates.</p>
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Episode Eleven: One On One, Part 1
<p class="" data-pm-slice="1 1 []">This week’s conversation was so amazing we went on and on! Lucky you, now you have TWO episodes with the amazing Kevin Avery. </p> <p class="" data-pm-slice="1 1 []">We consider the intimate sports metaphor hit One on One as we begin to dig into Hall and Oates’s deep connection to The Temptatations. Our guest, comedian, writer, and vocalist/dancer (who we believe holds an honorary doctorate in New Edition studies), Kevin Avery, shares his expertise on singing groups and their important distinction from boy bands.</p>
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Episode Ten: Do What You Want, Be What You Are + Euphoria
This week we explore the heavy presence of Hall and Oates in Season Two of Euphoria on HBO. Mary Kay has a strong theory about one of the characters, and we bring in some zoomers/teens to help us flush it out. As always, we learn something new and valuable from Dr. Naomi, while sipping coconut rum with coke because...high school. 
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Episode Nine: Maneater
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This week we cover Maneater with our friend, Alexandra Freedman, who is a fellow New Mexican and friend from childhood. This song brings up everything from Flashdance and feminism to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and absinthe. Most importantly, this song introduces us to a new musical favorite, Saxsquatch, and reminds us that John Oates has an amazing sense of humor.</span></p>
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Episode Eight: Everytime You Go Away
Our guest, Paul Phojanakong, is an avid oldies music enthusiast and karaoke performer extraordinaire. In addition to working at UCSF, he enjoys watching obscure sports, riding his bike, and talking about the curly mullet he had as a child. Paul’s Filipino heritage and love of Hall and Oates brings many fascinating topics to the table as we discuss the Toronto Leafs, Silk Sonic, and the song “Everytime You Go Away” (yes, both versions). Does it bother MK that EVERYTIME is one word? Yes, yes it does.
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Episode Seven: I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)
<p>This episode addresses the burning question haunting us since we conceptualized this podcast: are we gonna get in trouble (sued)? Because "I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)!"  Our guest, IP lawyer Jen Kash, not only answers that question, she provides insight into several legal cases surrounding Hall and Oates involving their relationship with each other, the music industry, tarot cards, and granola.  And of course, we analyze the amazing song "No puedo ir por eso (no puedo)."</p>
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Episode Six: Syllabus, Whole Oats
<p class="p1">This week we sift through the album Whole Oats one song at a time. We begin part one of many conversations about Arif Mardin, and laugh at potential song inspirations like The Golden Girls, Muppets, Nico, and Joni Mitchell. Plus we may toss in a little ASMR along the way! <span class="Apple-converted-space">This episode brought to you by Naomi's Wildfang overalls (not an ad). </span></p>
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Episode Five: Possession Obsession
<span style="font-weight: 400;">This week we tackle two themes with our guest, writer, and reality tv producer Jeanette Scherrer. First, we go deep into an example of a rare Oates-fronted song, <em>Possession Obsession</em>. We consider the musical influences, lyrical meanings, and the surprisingly progressive depictions of NYC at night through the eyes of Oates as a taxi driver. We also look at Daryl Hall's two endeavors in reality TV, focusing on an episode of <em>Live from Daryl's House</em> featuring <em>Vintage Trouble</em>'s lead vocalist, Ty Taylor.</span>
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Episode Four: Family Man
This week’s episode takes a fresh look at the song, “Family Man.” Our guest, Stephany Joy Ashley is the former Executive Director of the St James Infirmary which provides free, peer-based medical and social services for current and former sex workers and current writer and strategist focused on reducing poverty, stigma, and criminalization. Stephany’s humor and insight shows us how Hall and Oates turns a bunch of rowdy boys and girls into non-binary youth (with pompadours).
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Episode Three: You Make My Dreams (Come True)
<p>Here we consider the robust use of parentheticals in H&O titles. Our guest, Brian Duck, owner of the LA and New York-based management company Atelier, brings his expertise into the fashion featured in the song’s video and offers insight into the hair and, most important, John Oates’s legendary mustache.</p>
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Episode Two: Laughing Boy
<p>Our featured guest is standup comedian Nato Green, who offers a surprising analysis of this little-known song from their second album, Abandoned Luncheonette, which leads us to the mean streets of San Francisco’s Tenderloin district.</p>
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Episode One: Out of Touch
Welcome to the Hall and Oates lovefest! Meet Naomi and Mary Kay, hear a little about how they met and their love of the band. This episode delves into the burning questions at the heart of our endeavor. Why Hall and Oates? Why are we doing this? Why now?
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